tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post567023554121728878..comments2024-03-27T08:36:31.252-07:00Comments on Flight To Success: A330: Automation and EfficiencyKarlene Petitthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-91987153443412453072012-01-29T08:06:43.184-08:002012-01-29T08:06:43.184-08:00af447 type pad, I read your post. Interesting, but...af447 type pad, I read your post. Interesting, but not sure I agree with everything...such as thrust levers. But then we can't all agree on everything. Your hours on the plane are amazing. But then the thrust levers, while I first thought the same thing... confusing... isn't a design flaw, is more a need to understand them... and then they work great. The situation with the accident you mentioned, I believe that pilots only know what they know. This is a central theme in my book, Flight For Control. We need "more" training for these automated planes, not less. Thanks for reading. Looking forward to reading more of your stuff too. Fly safe!Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-77093409041387755822012-01-29T07:48:14.156-08:002012-01-29T07:48:14.156-08:00af447.typepad.comaf447.typepad.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-25158580543202481062012-01-18T00:54:14.107-08:002012-01-18T00:54:14.107-08:00Interesting! Maybe the plane has so much power for...Interesting! Maybe the plane has so much power for the range... companies don't need it? None of ours can dump fuel. Thanks for the added information.Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-45010811662277332202012-01-17T06:31:45.245-08:002012-01-17T06:31:45.245-08:00Jettison system could be installed by operator as ...Jettison system could be installed by operator as deemed fit. In this case, it's an option that operator takes a call.<br />I cannot verify but I'm told that Emirates has it on its A 330 and the Thai on A330-300Srinivas Raohttp://www.flight-blog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-37541536053699171152012-01-15T13:35:23.238-08:002012-01-15T13:35:23.238-08:00Thank you for sharing this information! Interestin...Thank you for sharing this information! Interesting. I didn't realize that it was "optional." So... could the max takeoff weight be increased and have the "optional" dump system installed? Why else would they put that in? Does anyone have a configuration such as that?Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-26656099976737408502012-01-15T12:31:52.013-08:002012-01-15T12:31:52.013-08:00Hi,
Allow me to comment. Fuel Jettison system is r...Hi,<br />Allow me to comment. Fuel Jettison system is required by regulations if an aircraft does not meet the performance gradient requirements for an approach climb and go-around with a weight equal to max takeoff weight minus the fuel requirement of 15 mins for aircraft to return back after takeoff.<br />A330 meets this requirement, hence the fuel jettison system is optional on this aircraft.Srinivas Raohttp://www.flight-blog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-37731473902361265812012-01-10T07:13:51.918-08:002012-01-10T07:13:51.918-08:00Great post, Karlene! Still coming to terms with th...Great post, Karlene! Still coming to terms with the fact that a wide-body like the 330 can't dump fuel!!?? As always, your posts are educating and informing aviators - From the Ground Up!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16766138542481023094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-9441020071837605052012-01-08T20:47:28.084-08:002012-01-08T20:47:28.084-08:00Thanks Chats... but the plot thickens. I've le...Thanks Chats... but the plot thickens. I've learned a lot since this event. More to come next week.Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-8760446732754466362012-01-08T17:54:20.782-08:002012-01-08T17:54:20.782-08:00Great post KP! Thanks for sharing. Glad it turned ...Great post KP! Thanks for sharing. Glad it turned out to be uneventful.Chatsphotogpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13221200675896348426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-73595379712948750622012-01-07T10:22:29.762-08:002012-01-07T10:22:29.762-08:00Thanks Daniel! We departed at 245 that same mornin...Thanks Daniel! We departed at 245 that same morning. Pushing our 18 hour duty day. One of those nights I was "lucky" to have slept just before. <br />It is amazing that you can't dump. And yes... she can land. I found out more interesting things on landing overweight... more to come on that next week.Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-12868004088332136972012-01-07T10:00:48.851-08:002012-01-07T10:00:48.851-08:00Neat post Karlene! Did you end up continuing the f...Neat post Karlene! Did you end up continuing the flight eventually? I find it interesting an airplane that big can't dump fuel. Can you land just below max takeoff weight safely or do you need to burn a little off? And what's the ref speed at that weight? Thanks again for sharing!Daniel Salleenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-18643052241577982872012-01-05T09:27:37.871-08:002012-01-05T09:27:37.871-08:00Hi Frank, yes...that's it on the wheel. We cou...Hi Frank, yes...that's it on the wheel. We could have continued and had an extended stay in Lagos. But that would have really messed up the operations. Do we make decision on operations? Yes. It all goes into the decision making process. But safety and landing at the nearest suitable airport is essential. Not this case.<br /><br />Safe. Safer. And unsafe, can be up for debate. And may make an interesting post one day.<br />There were a few more issues...but I'm working on the answer right now. We had a little gremlin in the MCDU. Thankfully it was clear conditions. <br /><br />Those numbers were glowing the brakes down below. The mechanics said they never saw such heat. I think they blow fuse plugs around 900-1000 degrees. <br /><br />All the airlines I've worked with mandated that anytime we do an overweight landing we roll the equipment. I think it just makes good sense. We didn't tell them where we would stop, because we kept her rolling to get her off the runway.<br /><br />If we had something more serious, they (fire trucks) normally sit aside the approach end and then drive with the plane until she stops. This time, they just waited at the other end. <br /><br />Thanks for the comment!Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-69635542823778667152012-01-05T09:18:17.132-08:002012-01-05T09:18:17.132-08:00Yes D.B. that's why we had to return. There wa...Yes D.B. that's why we had to return. There was a bit more to the adventure, but what happens in the flight deck stays in the flight deck. Sometimes. :)<br />We weren't sure if ours would hold together or not. But it did. And stopped nicely. <br />Thanks for your comment.Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-20721788866049546322012-01-05T06:35:32.719-08:002012-01-05T06:35:32.719-08:00Fascinating info, Karlene. I'm SURE what you s...Fascinating info, Karlene. I'm SURE what you said to your Captain was 'I'm enjoying this journey!' :-)Linda Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18001433214194860481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-77387003929659262382012-01-05T06:01:26.470-08:002012-01-05T06:01:26.470-08:00G'day, Karlene!
Interesting post. I'm gue...G'day, Karlene!<br /><br />Interesting post. I'm guessing your problem was with MLG wheel #8 which is showing 65 psig while all of the others are at 240 +/- 5.<br /><br />It's interesting to learn about all of the operational factors that go into the continue-vs-return decision. As a purely technical matter I'd think it would be OK to continue (an opinion I do NOT extend to the BA crew that flew California to England on three engines a few years back).<br /><br />Question for ya': Are those the post-landing temps above the pressures? I guess it makes sense that the low-pressure wheel has the most elevated temp (1,335F - wow! "Glow in the dark" stuff).<br /><br />I assume that you declared an emergency 'cause that's the only way to get the airport to roll the equipment, and given the risk of fire from the brakes, you sure do want the fire brigade standing by. Did you calculate an expected stopping distance and inform them for positioning purposes? Can you even do that?<br /><br />As to what you said to the Skipper...was it, "Happy New Year"?<br /><br />Good job by all. Thanks for sharing.<br /><br />FrankFrank Van Hastehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10821687850881538546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-30788051779529926802012-01-05T05:55:27.249-08:002012-01-05T05:55:27.249-08:00Was that your Lagos emergency? Glad it wasn't...Was that your Lagos emergency? Glad it wasn't more serious.<br /><br />I was once a passenger on a B747 that blew tires landing at Montreal, it needed all 4 tires on one bogie replaced. And another that had an in flight shutdown, and an L1011 that had an engine fire on take off. They were scary, but the crews were well trained and had it all under control.D.B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16311812701887962320noreply@blogger.com