tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post3037617278552500199..comments2024-03-28T17:38:51.301-07:00Comments on Flight To Success: PEDs on the Flight DeckKarlene Petitthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-20937277446562680142014-08-27T16:40:37.734-07:002014-08-27T16:40:37.734-07:00Lori, Thank you so very much for the link!! I wrot...Lori, Thank you so very much for the link!! I wrote a paper years ago how to sleep.... avoiding that blue light an hour prior to sleep was one of the things to do. So I thought... we should use it to stay awake. :) <br />Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-61590646864769557492014-08-27T12:53:37.962-07:002014-08-27T12:53:37.962-07:00Karlene,
You bring up some good points - a recent ...Karlene,<br />You bring up some good points - a recent study with pilots in Sweden shows the blue wavelength light effective as fatigue countermeasure. Read the research behind this.<br />http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2402409Lori Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08303220830105491277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-27999094843131226232014-06-22T07:38:46.180-07:002014-06-22T07:38:46.180-07:00Brittney, this is what I'm working on in schoo...Brittney, this is what I'm working on in school. Put responsibility back into the pilots hands! So... here is what you do. You put your camera in "manual" mode. :) Or... you get out of your seat, giving command to the other pilot, and take a photo from the jumpseat. Which wouldn't it be safer in the seat?<br />I don't think they were talking about cameras specifically. There is a clarification issue here. But... a camera speaks volumes and if there were an incident at that moment, we would have it recorded. So... I'm with you! Keep the faith... clarification coming soon! Fly safe and I hope you come fly with me. Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-82757736691663658942014-06-21T16:26:34.459-07:002014-06-21T16:26:34.459-07:00Sigh. I was really looking forward to taking my fi...Sigh. I was really looking forward to taking my first cockpit picture as an airline pilot in the next couple years (responsibly at cruise, of course). I wish they would leave electronic use in the hands of the pilots and let us use our discretion, common sense, and judgement when using our devices. They did certify us to fly the aircraft trusting us with the aircraft and the passengers onboard- yet they do not trust us with our cell phones or tablets. After all, didn't we each take an unspoken oath to always hold safety in the highest regard? And that professionalism for our craft is stronger than any law when it comes to guiding us toward safety. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02125968424979864522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-17027154746331116462014-06-10T23:20:10.790-07:002014-06-10T23:20:10.790-07:00Bryan, Thanks for your comment. I think distractio...Bryan, Thanks for your comment. I think distraction during high workload is one thing and boredom and fatigue on the long hauls is another. I'm wondering if they will ever define the two areas and the different challenges between. Great comment! Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-58132969910701010462014-06-10T19:54:26.734-07:002014-06-10T19:54:26.734-07:00This is my take on it, and I apologize in advance ...This is my take on it, and I apologize in advance for the verbosity. Feel free to skip to the bottom if you don't want to read the source information. <br /><br />According to 49 U.S. Code 44732 – Prohibition on personal use of electronic devices on flight deck, “Personal Wireless Communications Device(s)” are prohibited while at the flight crewmember’s duty station on the flight deck of an aircraft while the aircraft is being operated. In this section, a “Personal Wireless Communications Device” is defined as a device through which personal wireless services (as defined in section 332(c)(7)(C)(i) of the Communications Act of 1934) are transmitted. With regard to the statement above, and according to 47 U.S.C. 332(c)(7)(c)(i), the term “personal wireless services” means commercial airplane mobile services, unlicensed wireless services, and common carrier wireless exchange access services. <br /><br />In sum, the common consensus seems to be that if the device can utilize wireless services, then it cannot be used, even if those services are deactivated. This was all created in an attempt to reduce “distraction” in the cockpit. If you read through the regulation, many opposed to the regulation stated how we have long been using various media to stay awake during long flights. The FAA didn’t strictly oppose different types of media per se, but stated several incidents in which use of PEDs adversely affected the safe outcome of the flight (one was the overflight in Minneapolis, the other was a helicopter that took off and exhausted the fuel supply shortly thereafter). As of now, via this interpretation, it is safe to assume that GoPros would be banned because they have the capability to use the “wireless services” as defined in the Communications act of 1934. Certain cameras would even be banned, due to their ability to send the data via a wireless network. Where the FAA will have the hardest time drawing the line is defining what is necessary and unnecessary for safety of flight. Pilots can use company-issued tablets to study company materials for testing, and if they get busted, they can merely state that they were researching something related to the flight and trying to find an answer. Unless the FAA starts monitoring activities on company-issued tablets, they will have a hard time enforcing this rule. I also have no doubt that many pilots will continue to use their company-issued devices to take pictures. For now, per the FAA, we can still use crosswords and stuff but they must not be in digital form. Bryan Doolinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02276521910937079590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-39535164888821979962014-06-10T06:24:23.765-07:002014-06-10T06:24:23.765-07:00Simon, I just found this hiding in the moderation ...Simon, I just found this hiding in the moderation page. I hope you're correct. The broad use of the term electronic devices, as a camera today certainly is. But we are not reading. And then the question is if it is a non-essential activity or not. That would lead to question. Thank you so much for your input!!Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-58212221306249372012014-06-09T22:04:30.837-07:002014-06-09T22:04:30.837-07:00There in lays the problem... they are not looking ...There in lays the problem... they are not looking at the problem. I missed the public comment on this one too. A friend sent it to me as his airline sent it out to the pilots. One of those rules that slipped in and nobody heard about. <br />One of the many things to work at during my adventure at ERAU. Thank you so much for your comment!Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-19919699876028295142014-06-09T21:41:21.047-07:002014-06-09T21:41:21.047-07:00Sorry, I'm late to the game here with comments...Sorry, I'm late to the game here with comments.<br /><br />First, I guess it's okay to play chess, scrabble, or any other game that's not electronic. Is it okay to gamble... poker... use real money? I've played Battleship while flying. Would that be against the rules? <br /><br />I put this in the same category as elected officials trying to ban people walking and talking on their phone at the same time to save them from walking in front of cars at intersections. The core problem is distraction vs the method of their distraction. PED's are not the core problem. Being distracted from a critical "thing" is the problem.<br /><br />I'm surprised this rule wasn't up for public comment. Maybe I missed it. Seems to me the "union" should be all over this in the same sense they are over crew scheduling/workdays and such. <br /><br />The whole rule smacks of being "arbitrary" and without real empirical data to back up the implementation of a global personal use PED rule ban.<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Tom<br /><br />Tom Hillhttp://www.tom-hill.biznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-1824248216703153772014-06-08T22:29:36.332-07:002014-06-08T22:29:36.332-07:00Now you have the answer! See think outside the box...Now you have the answer! See think outside the box and we can bring back film. :)Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-29845930510663105972014-06-08T18:39:23.530-07:002014-06-08T18:39:23.530-07:00.... maybe if you use a good ol' film camera w....... maybe if you use a good ol' film camera with 24 exposures, maybe that's one way to get that sunset photo you can't afford to miss :)Brendan - CRAZEDpilot.comhttp://crazedpilot.com/bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-34540243152224102242014-06-06T06:58:39.987-07:002014-06-06T06:58:39.987-07:00This is part of the regulation from above: "a...This is part of the regulation from above: "all personal use is prohibited, whether or not the device is in “airplane mode”. <br />Sigh. I don't think so. Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-12705846506404096462014-06-05T22:54:52.456-07:002014-06-05T22:54:52.456-07:00So can you take a picture of a sunset with your ph...So can you take a picture of a sunset with your phone at cruise(in airplane mode)?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06932869166230095661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-35321987182709490612014-06-05T21:42:41.388-07:002014-06-05T21:42:41.388-07:00I think that they are paying professionals to do t...I think that they are paying professionals to do the job they were trained to do. We should have some accountability for our actions without regulation. I would hope. I agree... absurd. Thank you so much for the comment!Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-11944707642381688722014-06-05T10:29:18.475-07:002014-06-05T10:29:18.475-07:00This contradicts many principles. One of them is G...This contradicts many principles. One of them is Global Mindset.<br /><br />Regulators must follow a market demand based measure, so allowances can be discussed and decided in order that it doesn't hurt cultural and popular tendencies.<br /><br />Safety is the number one priority, that's crystal clear. Whether decide if PEDs are allowed or not, let demand tell us. We obviously can conciliate PEDs with safety.<br /><br />I find this FAA measure outrageous and absurdly unnecessary.Alexander Jordanhttp://twitter.com/GATSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-45882715713474396862014-06-05T07:41:04.981-07:002014-06-05T07:41:04.981-07:00Lol... we are all confused. But that's okay......Lol... we are all confused. But that's okay... a regulation will soon be written to regulate or mandate non-confusion. Help is on the way. Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-9658818494482713242014-06-05T07:22:49.441-07:002014-06-05T07:22:49.441-07:00Okay, take a breather, sit down.
Now open the blue...Okay, take a breather, sit down.<br />Now open the blueprint.<br />Oops, take another breather. Grab a glass of whisky.<br />Wait, who did this? Oh, yes, the FAA.<br />Another dose of whisky.<br /><br />It says: "How can we allow PEDs and PODs without allowing them?" - Impossible algebra. Einstein refuses on this one.<br /><br />Oh, another one: "How can we connect to the world without internet and wireless PEDs and PODs?"<br /><br />Grab a magnifier.<br />If you see at the very bottom of the blueprint, it says "NexGen has PEDs and PODs. NexGen does not necessarily have PEDs and PODs".<br />Another breather. Glass of water. Dose of whisky. <br /><br />Feeling a bit dizzy. Put on your glasses.<br />Seat belt fastened. Flight Attendant coming.<br />Grab your iPad. It's against Federal Law.<br /><br />Oh Steve! Oh Jobs!<br />Now, where is Judge Judy?<br /><br />## IATA not found ##<br />I'm confused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-45908815619373430372014-06-05T06:58:32.511-07:002014-06-05T06:58:32.511-07:00And then we have to ask... if that's allowed t...And then we have to ask... if that's allowed then why not anything else? Many have their puzzles on the ipad now. lol. Ahhh... such a world. Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-37684890116805368052014-06-04T21:23:39.276-07:002014-06-04T21:23:39.276-07:00So I guess we'll just do crossword puzzles the...So I guess we'll just do crossword puzzles then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-72642299980484433692014-06-04T17:31:13.789-07:002014-06-04T17:31:13.789-07:00Eyes open or closed?Eyes open or closed?Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-35709948973288356592014-06-04T17:24:09.542-07:002014-06-04T17:24:09.542-07:00Most times that I have had the FAA in the jumpseat...Most times that I have had the FAA in the jumpseat, they "study the overhead panel" during the flight. Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814239893221839842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-53059535182747789342014-06-04T14:51:12.531-07:002014-06-04T14:51:12.531-07:00This does not prohibit cameras, does it? The rule ...This does not prohibit cameras, does it? The rule is not the same as a passenger PED - the FAA here explicitly states 'wireless communications device or laptop computer'. So as long as you are not using a gopro (which has wifi) then it shouldn't be a problem.<br />At least, that's my interpretation of it.Simonhttps://twitter.com/simon_rp84noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-23253488556427662462014-06-04T14:12:22.840-07:002014-06-04T14:12:22.840-07:00Well, some companies outlaw "non-official&quo...Well, some companies outlaw "non-official" reading. So... an interesting topic and one to follow up on. And I will. :)Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-4301128166089294682014-06-04T13:29:05.807-07:002014-06-04T13:29:05.807-07:00Bring a real book, they did not prohibit that yet...Bring a real book, they did not prohibit that yet, did they?<br /><br />No just kidding, I'm with you on the topic you need to keep your brain busy to do this job.Fabian Behrhttp://twitter.com/behrpicturesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-26671130410169633682014-06-04T09:43:17.941-07:002014-06-04T09:43:17.941-07:00Just googled and this is what Delta says a PED is:...Just googled and this is what Delta says a PED is: <br />"A portable electronic device (PED) is a lightweight, electrically or battery-powered piece of equipment. These devices are typically consumer electronic devices capable of communications and data processing, such as a tablet, e-reader or handheld computer games. Please note that mobile phones are not considered PEDs in "this context" and thus may be used only when the boarding door is open and during taxi to the gate after landing."<br /><br />However, we have always been allowed to use cameras in the back... so I'm going to go with the definition they are not PEDs! Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.com