tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post8456451323050008172..comments2024-03-28T17:38:51.301-07:00Comments on Flight To Success: Cameras In The Flight Deck?Karlene Petitthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-73353416200312781862014-05-12T10:47:14.357-07:002014-05-12T10:47:14.357-07:00K, Thank you so much for the comment. Seriously, o...K, Thank you so much for the comment. Seriously, our office can be stressful enough... you're right, we need to be able to do our thing! One day you will be there too. Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-73923943440224200242014-05-12T09:14:27.289-07:002014-05-12T09:14:27.289-07:00I am not a pilot yet, but I know cameras do change...I am not a pilot yet, but I know cameras do change behavior in people. Having "someone watch" your every action would be uncomfortable. In this case the cockpit would be one tense office. <br />Let the pilots do their thing like they are used to.Kriscalfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09560837363583899059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-44567414869273022152014-05-07T07:09:01.247-07:002014-05-07T07:09:01.247-07:00Thank you!!! I'm with you on this!Thank you!!! I'm with you on this!Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-45247682618789125002014-05-07T03:05:07.504-07:002014-05-07T03:05:07.504-07:00Use the money to improve aircraft tracking systems...Use the money to improve aircraft tracking systems, not on cameras.Oussama's Takehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804888569746656075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-22622949394828962522014-05-04T20:42:54.705-07:002014-05-04T20:42:54.705-07:00I like the way you think!
Thanks for the great com...I like the way you think!<br />Thanks for the great comment. Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-89385836485391697812014-05-04T20:38:54.022-07:002014-05-04T20:38:54.022-07:00This one is an easy answer: NO!This one is an easy answer: NO!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13959673876425475602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-9344770440759073802014-05-02T12:28:19.196-07:002014-05-02T12:28:19.196-07:00Cameras on the flight deck? No way.
Karlene, wha...Cameras on the flight deck? No way. <br /><br />Karlene, what is your conception on live streaming data?Alexander Woodhttp://twitter.com/TheAviatorSitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-64929704013300709022014-05-02T07:47:41.076-07:002014-05-02T07:47:41.076-07:00We need to focus on who we're dealing with. We...We need to focus on who we're dealing with. We need a deterrent for pilots to behave right? I think if we have pilots who behave badly and would change behavior because they are being watched... we are hiring wrong. We need pilots who can manage themselves as well as the plane. <br />Deterrents work well for some groups. Thanks for your comments! I really appreciate them. <br />Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-78156076639212332392014-05-01T20:51:41.748-07:002014-05-01T20:51:41.748-07:00Not into reality shows, hate them and go out of my...Not into reality shows, hate them and go out of my way to never to watch them. <br />To me there a total waste of time. <br />Whereas I agree It wouldn't help to see who's coming in, but it might be a deterrent, like in the city streets to prevent violence which has worked here. <br />I understand the privacy issues, but with approx. 200+ ppl on each flight, I argue that safety takes precedence over privacy.The public should never watch these tapes. <br />I understand the most pilots are armed and I hope the public never sees what happens if there is a break in. <br />I have read Jennifer comments, but I meant pinhole cameras on the overhead panel behind the pilots. <br />The cost of retrofitting should be borne by the govt. if there serious. <br />Sorry I did mean ELT. <br />Still would like to see more security on the flight deck but if as you say extremely expensive this might be the next best thing<br />I do commend you on seeking comments from everybody.<br />Anyway still interested in other commentsKevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-65556410611576257172014-05-01T20:02:03.553-07:002014-05-01T20:02:03.553-07:00The problem is there is no room on the overhead pa...The problem is there is no room on the overhead panel...and the millions to retrofit the planes. Read the comment from from Jennifer, and then from Rob. Both interesting on ability in the flight deck and how much you can really see. And do you know there are 87,000 flights daily? Who is watching these live videos? <br /><br />We're going to watch the door? My question is why? What good would that do? So we see someone get in...they're in. Then what? The plane is in the air.<br /><br />I know everyone wants the reality TV show...but trust me, there are some things you really don't want to see. And that would be what happens if someone gets in the flight deck. <br /><br />I'm sure you meant ELT. And that's to find the plane. Who would thought we could lose one? Lessons learned for sure. Will they change technology because of this? Probably. Hope so. <br /><br />When we say should or shouldn't, we really must look at what the purpose is, and will it increase safety. If not...then we need to spend the money that will. Thanks for the comment! <br />Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-40337388292151635692014-05-01T19:55:06.285-07:002014-05-01T19:55:06.285-07:00Rob, No worries on delay. And if we videoed takeof...Rob, No worries on delay. And if we videoed takeoffs and landings on flights with the intent to debrief at the end of the day for improvement... that would be different. I think learning is great. But unfortunately this is not the intent. And it would be a spied on event. <br />And like you said, you can't see the important stuff they were talking about. One comment in support was to see the pilots hand on the stick. But how?<br /><br />Also... if you or someone decided to take your plane, they would turn off the camera just as they did the transponder. So...that doesn't work either.<br /><br />Thank you so much for the great comment! I really appreciate it!Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-74754391796419962312014-05-01T19:40:40.732-07:002014-05-01T19:40:40.732-07:00Yes... improvements are what we need. Not to see w...Yes... improvements are what we need. Not to see what happened after the fact. I hope we stop wasting time, energy and focus. We know a human was involved in this one... I think we should be approaching both aspects of which human and taking measures in each case. Much more effective. <br />Thank you so much for the comment. Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-31298439789757563322014-05-01T18:35:32.535-07:002014-05-01T18:35:32.535-07:00Hi Karlene
Your right about the cost of extra pers...Hi Karlene<br />Your right about the cost of extra personnel on international flights would be horrendous. Would 2 cameras on the overhead panel behind the pilots be a problem. One facing the door, the other on he instruments. Both could be saved in real time on servers via satellites to the individual companies, say on a 24hr loop. I agree certainly, not in the pilots face. As for space on the panel there are pinholes cameras that take up no more space than a single screw. As there is now all voice comm. recorded anyway to the blackbox, would it really be a problem. <br />The other problem I don't understand why there isn't a floatable ELB attached to maybe behind the tail of the plane, which activates when submerged like on a yacht The technology is out there.<br />Be interested on your thoughts Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-75387777607387096132014-05-01T18:32:59.391-07:002014-05-01T18:32:59.391-07:00As a military pilot, being recorded is nothing new...As a military pilot, being recorded is nothing new to me. Every time I fly, I am required to turn on a recorder that records my HUD and most of my cockpit displays. It is very easy to tell from the displays exactly what I'm doing with 90% of my switches. If the appropriate display is called up, you can even see where my throttles are positioned and what control inputs I'm making at any given time. My point here is that cameras won't show the important stuff - for example if your throttles are set too low for the given pitch to maintain airspeed and you get slow on final resulting in a stall, etc, etc. <br /><br />The biggest benefit we gain from our recording our HUD, displays, and audio is that we debrief our sorties ad nauseam and we need the detail those recordings provide to ensure we debrief appropriately. Without the debrief to justify such recordings, I would feel I was just being spied on. <br /><br />(Karlene: sorry it took me so long read this amazing post! I'm finally getting caught up on my blog reading!)Rob Burgonhttp://www.tallyone.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-10950932762568188322014-05-01T17:06:47.761-07:002014-05-01T17:06:47.761-07:00Agree no need. Typical knee-jerk over reaction of ...Agree no need. Typical knee-jerk over reaction of jumping to something that sounds good to the public but serves no real benefit. A waste of energy, time, and focus.<br /><br />Improve live tracking using existing systems and technologies. And mandate it for all aircraft on all routes, not just TransAtl or over USA. One thing everyone has learned is we can't just rely on radar that might (or might not) be manned at 2AM when the world is at peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-68300664085450599592014-05-01T09:57:21.098-07:002014-05-01T09:57:21.098-07:00Jennifer, I am so glad you chimed in from the tech...Jennifer, I am so glad you chimed in from the technical perspective. I was trying to figure out how we could make this work... as to where... and the only place would be on the overhead panel...(that could pan down on everything) that is full of equipment that we need for flying and managing our systems. Something will have to go. I vote for the camera. <br /><br />And yes... if there is a pilot that needs monitoring, then we need to keep them out of the flightdeck in the first place. <br /><br />Thank you so much for the great comment!Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-41773200432809485852014-05-01T09:53:10.256-07:002014-05-01T09:53:10.256-07:00Kevin, I like the way you think. I think the Feder...Kevin, I like the way you think. I think the Federal Flight Deck Officer program is a good option. The problems with international carrying guns to other countries... Airlines can do that, but the expense is horrendous. So that's why the program is just domestic. Thank you so much for the comment. Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-55616510328105900082014-05-01T09:08:07.697-07:002014-05-01T09:08:07.697-07:00As an aircraft technician in training, with an int...As an aircraft technician in training, with an interest in avionics, I think cameras in the cockpit are a really bad idea from a technology standpoint. Finding space for it, working its electronics into the aircraft's overall electrical system, thinking through how it will be isolated if it causes trouble ... these are all concerns that the "cameras in the cockpit" alarmists are likely not aware of.<br /><br />In addition to the technical downsides, I think it's a terrible idea because it degrades our trust in the professionalism of our pilots. We give you control of a plane full of people, because you're respected as highly trained professionals. If there's any doubt about a particular pilot's professionalism or stability, THAT INDIVIDUAL should be addressed, not the entire profession. Karlene, I agree, this is reactive and not likely to resolve anything - it will just add a layer of potential distraction and the last thing pilots need is distraction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-40281079328291095822014-05-01T02:43:00.648-07:002014-05-01T02:43:00.648-07:00I also agree that cameras in the cockpit wouldn...I also agree that cameras in the cockpit wouldn't be much of value. The idea of having an air marshall on every flight is improbable and costly, so how about one armed passenger who's background can be checked sit in the jump seat, and hand in the firearm and end of the flight.Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-78385211323149769922014-04-30T21:57:00.327-07:002014-04-30T21:57:00.327-07:00Thank you Dave! I agree. I'm on the boat of us...Thank you Dave! I agree. I'm on the boat of using the money where needed. So many other ways we could use this money! Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-61131888629295342402014-04-30T21:54:18.813-07:002014-04-30T21:54:18.813-07:00JD, Thanks for the comment. Trust is the big issue...JD, Thanks for the comment. Trust is the big issue here. And we do know how that goes. I think they should give us the tools to do our jobs, and keep the eyes out of the cockpit. I think more pilots than not would feel uncomfortable being recorded. <br />Thank you for your comment!Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-84173737175654234072014-04-30T21:51:01.536-07:002014-04-30T21:51:01.536-07:00Deogratius, Thank you so much for the comment. I a...Deogratius, Thank you so much for the comment. I agree with you so much. We need our pilots to focus on what they are doing, not who is watching. Excellent feedback. Thank you. Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-84087883116540673602014-04-30T21:49:31.977-07:002014-04-30T21:49:31.977-07:00Andrew, it's a great training tool... in the s...Andrew, it's a great training tool... in the simulator. And I am surprised it's not still being used in AQP. It was required at one time. I will have to look into it. But... 87,000 flights, who's watching? What angle is the lens. All the data is being monitored, watching is not needed. <br />Thank you so much for your comment!Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-86559567612153905342014-04-30T21:47:21.633-07:002014-04-30T21:47:21.633-07:00Love the devils advocate.
The reason for the cam...Love the devils advocate. <br /><br />The reason for the camera is so we won't lose planes like MH370. We can see what's happening. So... if this were on the plane like the CVR... then we would be exactly where we are. The camera turned off and the video lost in an ocean. <br /><br />The point is... if we have the CVR and the plane sends data for maintenance, and we have the FDR... what will the video add? To visually see a death? <br /><br />The one suicide that parties don't want to call a suicide was Egypt Air. But even with a camera... if something nefarious were to happen by the crew, they would cover the lens. So that wouldn't help. <br /><br />And then... where and how to install? How many views? My point is, that this would a multi-million... up to billion dollar investment to mandate this for all planes...and would it increase safety? I say no. Why not spend that money where we need it. <br /><br />So I say, no... as it would not add safety or value to the operation. <br /><br />Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-352377410388410195.post-17744764273661178882014-04-30T21:39:54.581-07:002014-04-30T21:39:54.581-07:00Pete, you know... I had not thought of my family w...Pete, you know... I had not thought of my family watching my demise. I know that if there were a camera in MH370..that is something family members don't want to see. And we are all with you on covering the lens. <br /><br />Thank you for the powerful comment and your final line is great. <br /><br />Yes, let's put the camera in the CEO's office or... the director of training...and watch what's happening behind the scenes. Karlene Petitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17910702587514001827noreply@blogger.com